### Log session started at Wed Nov 8 00:00:01 2006 ### [00:01:45] Lucy [Lucy_@moz-D480481C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:02:31] sspitzer [sspitzer@moz-2F80A524.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #developers [00:05:51] Mozilla1.8: 'WINNT 5.1 bl-bldxp01 Depend pacifica-vm test perf' has changed state from Test Failed to Success. [00:06:19] CTho [Chris@moz-A267BAF7.austin.res.rr.com] is now known as CTho|zzz [00:07:20] smontagu [chatzilla@moz-DFFA0E51.broadband.actcom.net.il] has joined #developers [00:08:57] <@dbaron> Oy, yet another national election that's probably going to come down to a few thousand votes in one state. [00:09:49] <@dbaron> (or maybe 2 or 3) [00:10:16] typical [00:10:36] and the winner is: diebold voting machines? [00:10:39] <@dbaron> it wasn't typical 6 years ago [00:11:02] <@dbaron> well, 6 years and 6 hours ago [00:14:55] MO's trending blue now that metro areas are reporting,,,,but a few thousand could indeed be tipping point [00:15:40] god I hate that an election in Montana affects me [00:15:47] lol [00:15:59] bienvenu_ [DavidBienv@moz-DA017C7B.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [00:16:01] I live in New York City,ffs [00:16:03] dbaron: will they recount if the result is so close? [00:16:11] Bernd: yeah [00:16:17] <@dbaron> Bernd, maybe in Virginia [00:16:35] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #developers [00:16:36] bz_gone [bzbarsky@moz-A6FD0E3A.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] is now known as bz [00:16:42] <@dbaron> bz, don't be so sure [00:17:12] dbaron: hmm [00:17:18] bz is checking [00:17:29] "In Virginia, there are no automatic recounts. Only the apparent losing candidate can ask for a recount, and only if the difference between the apparent winning and losing candidate is 1% or less of the total votes cast for the two candidates. [00:17:34] he apparent loser cannot request a recount until after the election is certified. " [00:17:45] (this is off of virginia.gov) [00:17:57] So yeah [00:18:02] they might not request a recount, true [00:18:04] and it's currently 1/2 of 1% in VA Sen race [00:18:11] um.... [00:18:16] not last I checked [00:18:23] Last I checked the margin was 2000 votes [00:18:34] on a baseline of 2.3 million total votes cast or something [00:18:38] so more like 0.1% [00:18:47] dan...even closer [00:18:52] damn [00:18:55] <@dbaron> virginia.gov and CNN have been consistently off all evening [00:19:02] <@dbaron> CNN says about 2500, gov says about 1800, IIRC [00:19:13] <@dbaron> with different numbers [00:19:49] yeah [00:19:50] wait, that's the the state with the racial slur senator [00:19:56] MSNBC reported on that at some point [00:20:05] and he isn't getting trounced [00:20:06] sayrer: yeah. He's the one down about 2000 votes. ;) [00:20:17] "Registered Voters: 4,555,672 Total Voting: 2,331,793 Voter Turnout: 51.18 % " [00:20:22] bz thinks that about says it all [00:20:37] (that's for Virginia) [00:20:52] so diebold says! [00:21:22] <@dbaron> that's high turnout for a midterm election [00:21:30] <@dbaron> although maybe not as % of registered [00:21:56] <@dbaron> btw, can the tree reopen? [00:22:16] <@dbaron> or was there a fix required on the tinderbox machines? [00:22:30] dbaron: if the tinderbox server is actually serving up pages now, sure [00:22:44] <@dbaron> things turned green agani [00:22:45] dbaron: I closed it when it was hanging for 2-3 minutes then giving me a 500 [00:22:53] dbaron: when loading any tinderbox page [00:22:54] dbaron wonders why PA-06 is only at 78% counted [00:23:08] <@dbaron> bz, yeah, seems to be [00:23:17] bz hits the reload button [00:23:31] aaaand it's thinking [00:23:41] iVotronic touch screens here...no paper trail...or you can opt to use a paper ballot / scanner which does have a paper trail. wouldn't that make for an interesting recount [00:23:46] <@dbaron> oh, yeah, it's 1.5 hours out of date [00:23:49] <@dbaron> bz, did you file a sysadmin bug? [00:24:06] dbaron: haven't had a chance to yet [00:24:15] bz should do that [00:24:32] too much running around. :( [00:25:57] bz: tinderbox-stage has been a bit quicker [00:26:03] magneto [chatzilla@977E6C1.DEF20D50.74E1C77A.IP] has joined #developers [00:26:25] not much though [00:26:29] I thought tinderbox-stage was moved to tinderbox last week [00:26:52] <@dbaron> bz, apparently the tinderbox server's clock got off by an hour [00:26:53] new code got copied over [00:26:55] <@dbaron> (time zone?) [00:27:14] dbaron: 359920 filed [00:29:47] I'm still concerned about how bl-bldxp01 is reporting a tp2 average of like 50ms. [00:30:06] <@dbaron> anyway, justdave says he fixed the tinderbox sluggishness [00:31:21] <@dbaron> ooh, lots more tinderbox data just appeared [00:31:29] and rhelmer fixed the tp2 crash [00:31:31] yeah... :O [00:32:31] Linux argo-vm Depend Nightly [00:32:31] Started 22:00, finished 21:00 [00:32:33] 59 minutes elapsed [00:32:36] uhm... [00:32:46] something isn't right. [00:33:27] ispiked: hm. the tp2 50ms is odd. [00:33:28] <@dbaron> start time is client, end time is server [00:33:36] ispiked: it has data in the log too. [00:36:11] rhelmer: you're sure you copied the pageset over properly? [00:36:13] dbaron likes http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/house/map.html but wants it to be a little bigger [00:36:36] ispiked: I'll check it out [00:36:48] ispiked: kind of looks like it's not loading the pages properly eh [00:37:22] ispiked: yeah that's the problem .. le sigh [00:37:38] rhelmer: what's exactly is wrong? [00:37:58] ispiked: it is cycling through pages that aren't there [00:38:02] ispiked: hence the quick load time :) [00:38:09] rhelmer: ah! [00:39:11] preed [preed@moz-46636307.office.mozilla.org] is now known as preed-afk [00:39:59] there's a lot more red on that map than I expected. [00:40:02] jst_home [jst@moz-A2688178.direcpc.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:40:38] Mnyromyr [MnyroWork@moz-E0F31C11.tal.de] has joined #developers [00:40:48] jst_home [jst@moz-A2688178.direcpc.com] has joined #developers [00:40:52] <@dbaron> ispiked, well, it's by land area rather than population [00:41:07] whimboo [whimboo@moz-D20D7477.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #developers [00:41:50] ispiked: alright, copied the right pageset in on the xp box, thanks again :) [00:42:05] rhelmer: cool. [00:43:09] btw... is there a reason bonsai is lying too? [00:43:16] eg http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&whitespace_mode=show&subdir=mozilla/content/xul/document/src&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&file=nsXULDocument.cpp&rev1=1.735&rev2=1.736&root=/cvsroot [00:43:28] That's a checkin from 2006-11-07 18:25 [00:43:32] So I'd expect to see diffs by now.... [00:44:48] A`ja is putting MO Senate race into blue column [00:44:51] Lucy_ [Lucy@moz-D480481C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:44:56] ispiked: this test is checked out from cvs on the test machines, should be smoother next time.. loading the full pageset dynamically'd still be useful though [00:45:24] ispiked: it was just a copy before [00:45:52] rhelmer: dynamically in what sense? [00:46:23] jeremy [jeremy@moz-4C8836FC.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:46:28] ispiked: load the pageset from js [00:46:30] <@dbaron> A`ja, assuming evenly sized precincts, it would only need to go 54-46 R for the remaining 15% to turn it [00:46:42] rhelmer: oh right. [00:46:49] <@dbaron> A`ja, that said, last precincts are *probably* urban [00:47:03] wh ich component do bonsai bugs go in? [00:47:12] yurik_ [yurik@moz-E6848DBB.sub-75-197-56.myvzw.com] has joined #developers [00:47:12] <@dbaron> Webtools/bonsai ? [00:47:12] server ops? [00:47:16] webtools? [00:47:22] well [00:47:23] bet CNN calls it within minutes [00:47:30] I mean "bonsai.mozilla.org is not working" bugs [00:47:32] ispiked: i started playing with it earlier; i guess it could be done either through document.write(" not "bonsai has a bug" bugs [00:47:38] bz: server ops [00:47:40] ok [00:47:43] yurik [yurik@moz-E6848DBB.sub-75-197-56.myvzw.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:47:54] yurik_ [yurik@moz-E6848DBB.sub-75-197-56.myvzw.com] is now known as yurik [00:48:20] magneto [chatzilla@977E6C1.DEF20D50.74E1C77A.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:48:22] rhelmer: if I understand you correctly, why not just use file:// URIs? [00:48:29] rhelmer: or would that be an additional thing to try? [00:48:51] reed: thanks [00:49:14] ispiked: how would you do that? [00:50:42] jeremy [jeremy@moz-4C8836FC.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #developers [00:51:12] ispiked: if it was dynamic on the server side you could load a local file [00:51:19] rhelmer: are we talking about loading the individual pages or loading the set of pages to test? [00:51:58] ispiked: the set, just the location of the pages [00:52:09] they would have to be present on the server for this to work [00:52:14] rhelmer: the thouht came to me: why not just look at what's in directory "x"? [00:52:21] Bernd [bmlk@moz-62A7E0CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 3.0a1/2006102904] [00:52:24] Lucy_ [Lucy@moz-D480481C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #developers [00:52:39] rhelmer: for each folder in somefolder ... [00:53:06] rhelmer: 'cause that's basically what it is now, except we hardcode the folder names. [00:53:21] ispiked: that's because we can't do that from the browser :) [00:53:46] ispiked: tp2 is all client-side [00:53:59] oh right. [00:55:50] Lucy_ [Lucy@moz-D480481C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:56:14] well, I need to get to bed. [00:56:23] dbaron: http://gavinsharp.com/tmp/elec.html :) [00:56:26] sleep is for the weak [00:56:49] <@dbaron> gavin, what's different? [00:56:52] reed: ever tried not sleeping for a few days? ;) [00:56:55] bigger [00:57:04] <@dbaron> gavin, looks the same size to me [00:57:11] well, it's full screen [00:57:13] if I maximize my browser window it gets bigger. [00:57:22] mostly I had fun reverse engineering it [00:57:26] <@dbaron> my screen's not that big, it's a laptop [00:57:32] ispiked: I get about 3 hours or less sleep per night. [00:57:55] reed: that can't be a good idea.. [00:57:57] reed: I find that hard to believe. [00:58:10] Camino: 'MacOSX Darwin 8.7.0 xserve05 Depend 1.8 branch' has changed state from Success to Burning. [00:58:10] well, it's true ;) [00:58:12] <@dbaron> reed, do you learn anything in your classes? [00:58:21] no, I'm fairly bored [00:58:23] reed: did you do this in high school, too? [00:58:45] classes are easy [00:58:52] ispiked: mostly [00:58:57] I might have had a few more hours [00:59:07] <@dbaron> Ooh, new returns in Virginia bumped Webb up a good bit [00:59:17] josh [josh@8D63E60F.77DC9462.199E5B5D.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: josh [00:59:31] <@dbaron> at least on the gov't site [00:59:32] I'm unsure of how much of sleep is resting the mind vs. how much is resting the body. [00:59:34] dbaron: url? [00:59:43] <@dbaron> http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/ [01:00:07] <@dbaron> (from a 1500 margin to an 8000 margin) [01:00:19] yeah [01:00:56] <@dbaron> of course, the real thing to watch is http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/searchPageBuilder.jsp?grpID=4391 [01:01:08] <@dbaron> people betting on the election in real time [01:01:15] haha. [01:01:32] <@dbaron> much more useful way to track the results -- let the betters track them for you [01:02:48] madewokherd [urk@moz-63500C09.rhbd.psu.edu] has quit IRC: Client exited [01:04:07] sayrer [chatzilla@moz-EC288A1F.cable.mindspring.com] has quit IRC: Connection reset by peer [01:04:42] heh [01:04:49] does involve understanding the shorthand... ;) [01:05:58] incumbent R-MO Sen Talent is giving concession speech [01:06:26] sayrer [chatzilla@moz-EC288A1F.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #developers [01:07:59] tH [r@83.100.250.86] has joined #developers [01:10:00] So montana is still up in the air, right? [01:10:27] <@dbaron> yeah, although leaning D [01:10:44] Symmetria [aalston@EFF54BC2.40D40290.2E701DDD.IP] has joined #developers [01:10:49] lo all [01:11:15] <@dbaron> 10.5K margin on 250K (65%) counted [01:11:34] which makes it 48-49-2 [01:11:37] plus virginia [01:12:01] <@dbaron> the two Is are both Ds, we hope [01:12:12] <@dbaron> although Lieberman might be a little questionable [01:12:25] Lieberman is a Republican [01:12:47] <@dbaron> If he'll vote for a Democratic speaker they should give him a committee chair for it if he wants it. [01:12:48] and the other I's a Socialist [01:12:56] heh so they havent called the senate yet? [01:12:57] <@dbaron> er, ml [01:13:00] mmmm [01:13:03] or have they? [01:13:04] nothing like Gecko crashing [01:13:07] bz hates flash [01:13:08] <@dbaron> Symmetria, no [01:13:14] lieberman was the jackass who ran even if he was not voted for in the primaries, no? [01:13:19] Symmetria: I doubt they will for a while.... [01:13:27] <@dbaron> Symmetria, Senate probably won't be called for at least 12 hours [01:13:28] sascha: right [01:13:30] sascha-: what exactly about that makes him a jackass? [01:13:34] heh, dbaron unless its fox news :p [01:13:45] magneto [chatzilla@977E6C1.DEF20D50.74E1C77A.IP] has joined #developers [01:13:49] fox news will scream its republican 10 days after everyone else calls it for the dems :p [01:13:56] Some days I wonder why I use our browser... then I try the other ones. :( [01:13:57] and a week before the voting even starts :p [01:13:59] bz, not respecting the two-party and thus two-candidate consensus [01:14:10] sascha-: I wish more people would do that [01:14:36] sascha-: The two party system as practiced in this country is one of the things that pisses me off the most about the electoral process [01:14:58] sascha-: I should not that he won, btw. [01:15:02] sascha-: er, note. [01:15:06] bz, I'd be more pissed off by rezoning and people trying to be elected being the actual vote chair (as in Ohio) [01:15:16] bz: Two parties is a natural consequence of the voting system we use. [01:15:49] bz: FWIW donkey (jackass) is Dem party symbol [01:15:52] sascha-: really? What does it take to be a presidential candidate in my state? [01:16:02] ? [01:16:09] obama 2008! [01:16:12] A`ja: I'm well aware what the Dem party symbol is [01:16:16] (talking about the position of Ohio governeur) [01:16:21] that blackwell guy [01:16:24] And unfortunately out of all the ballot initiatives that were voted on this year, none were to change to a better voting system. :( [01:16:28] sascha-: that was a serious question. What does it take to get on the presidential ballot in the state of Illinois? [01:16:32] <@dbaron> montana returns are at http://sos.state.mt.us/ELB/archives/2006/elections/general/ussenate/index.asp [01:16:35] dolphinling: yeah, that is sadly true [01:17:00] bz, being white, male, christian? [01:17:02] <@dbaron> bz, I doubt it's harder than in Pennsylvania, but anyway... [01:17:05] oh, and wealthy [01:17:11] sascha-: Let's finish the illinois thing. I think it's illustrative of why I have a hard time getting worked up about the ohio thing [01:17:21] sascha-: well, true. But legally you also need signatures. [01:17:25] window [window@moz-3DA86E31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #developers [01:17:25] sascha-: 25,000 of them. [01:17:28] so? [01:17:32] <@dbaron> only 25K? [01:17:36] sascha-: Except if you're Republican or Democrat. [01:17:42] haha [01:17:43] sascha-: in which case you need 5,000 [01:17:58] any reason the tree is still closed (according to my tinderstatus extension) [01:18:01] sascha-: And _this_ is why I think the system stinks. Both parties game it all the time to lock out everyone else. [01:18:14] gavin [gavin@moz-FBC67194.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Quit: [01:18:18] sascha-: the Ohio thing is a special case of a very general trent. [01:18:21] er, trend. [01:18:30] window [window@moz-3DA86E31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] is now known as IRCMonkey5272241 [01:18:44] I'd suggest a round of beheadings [01:18:51] it's about time [01:19:37] A`ja drags out the guilotine [01:19:57] IRCMonkey5272241 [window@moz-3DA86E31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] is now known as window [01:20:25] libXt.so.6 + 0x1b7cf (0x058087cf) [01:20:25] libXt.so.6 + 0x1bc70 (0x05808c70) [01:20:26] libXt.so.6 + 0x26ced (0x05813ced) [01:20:29] yay. [01:20:30] gavin [gavin@moz-FBC67194.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #developers [01:20:35] ... [01:20:36] libflashplayer.so + 0x17ca72 (0x0210ca72) [01:20:46] ... [01:20:47] nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent() [mozilla/widget/src/gtk2/nsAppShell.cpp, line 145] [01:20:51] sascha- saw Borat yesterday. during the rodeo scene he shouts "May Bush drink the blood of all iraque men, women and children." [01:20:53] ^&^%&^%& flash [01:20:56] the crowd was wild. [01:21:00] sascha-: how was the movie? [01:21:01] with enthusiam [01:21:05] enthusiasm [01:21:08] A`ja takes that back, for the record...in case the FBI's listening [01:21:19] borat was great [01:21:31] bz, funny to some degree [01:21:31] Of course if seamonkey had working session restore I'd be set... :( [01:23:43] jeremy [jeremy@moz-4C8836FC.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:24:41] jeremy [jeremy@moz-4C8836FC.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #developers [01:32:46] bz [bzbarsky@moz-A6FD0E3A.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] is now known as bz_sleep [01:34:15] josh [josh@8D63E60F.77DC9462.199E5B5D.IP] has joined #developers [01:37:23] whimboo [whimboo@moz-D20D7477.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Quit [01:39:45] mmadia [mmadia@moz-ECEABAB9.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit IRC: Quit: quit [01:43:41] duo [duo@EA2AA27C.4B19F914.908AEBC.IP] has joined #developers [01:46:27] bc-afk [bclary@moz-400A639F.direcpc.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:49:45] andrew [chatzilla@moz-B1C4380E.adsl.mnsi.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101022] [01:50:21] Camino: 'MacOSX Darwin 7.9.0 binus Depend 1.8 branch' has changed state from Success to Burning. [01:50:47] philor [ringnalda@moz-FB4E3A53.eug.or.uspops.net] has quit IRC: Quit: pumpkin [01:51:45] JasnaPaka [jasnapaka@moz-11625C49.karneval.cz] has joined #developers [01:52:00] window [window@moz-3DA86E31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit IRC: Quit: zzz [01:53:18] dveditz [dveditz@moz-452E74B8.cruzio.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:53:27] damn, why is the tree still closed [01:53:46] because somebody forgot to reopen it? :) [01:54:11] srsly? [01:54:21] afaik [01:54:28] It was closed due to bonsai issues [01:54:35] bonsai and tinderbox [01:54:41] and both have been fixed :) [01:54:58] there is still one orange Fx box [01:55:15] reed looks [01:55:56] looks open to me [01:55:56] "The tree is open" [01:56:15] I just opened it [01:56:18] <@dbaron> why's the mac orange? [01:56:22] but no checking in on orange, of course [01:56:23] SeaMonkey has changed state from closed to open. [01:56:36] Firefox has changed state from closed to open. [01:56:47] Thunderbird has changed state from closed to open. [01:56:47] Error: firefox-bin: dumped core. [01:56:49] MozillaAliveTest: test failed [01:56:53] Camino has changed state from closed to open. [01:57:02] Mozilla1.8 has changed state from closed to open. [01:57:04] rhelmer forgot that box maybe? [01:57:06] Mozilla1.8-SeaMonkey has changed state from closed to open. [01:57:11] Mozilla1.8.0 has changed state from closed to open. [01:57:15] Firefox-Cairo has changed state from closed to open. [01:57:16] Looks like he made some test changes on some of the other boxes [01:57:30] reed: no, we only have two test-only boxes [01:57:49] hmm [01:57:56] bl-bld* [01:58:07] that just happened to be around the time you were doing that [01:58:18] i know :) [01:58:23] http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=Firefox/1162954020.15869.gz&fulltext=1 [01:58:28] Error: firefox-bin: exited with status 16777215 [01:58:30] Error: firefox-bin: dumped core. [01:58:56] If it wasn't you, guilty column says it's either bz or vlad [02:00:18] or random tinderbox issue ;) [02:02:40] madewokherd [urk@moz-63500C09.rhbd.psu.edu] has joined #developers [02:03:17] heh...a guy from Allentown smashed a Diebolt. neo-luddite or ? [02:04:32] <@dbaron> Is there something about people preferring propositions with lower numbers? http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm [02:04:43] josh [josh@8D63E60F.77DC9462.199E5B5D.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: josh [02:05:39] bc-afk [bclary@moz-E31CD2CB.mozilla.org] has joined #developers [02:06:01] dbaron: depends on whether or not Arnold wrote them :) [02:06:14] dbaron: heh [02:06:21] well, last time they picked none of them :) [02:06:28] Camino: 'MacOSX Darwin 8.7.0 xserve05 Depend 1.8 branch' has changed state from Burning to Success. [02:06:28] did arnold lose? :) [02:06:41] <@dbaron> no, Arnold won [02:06:41] no, big winner [02:06:45] :( [02:06:47] hm nothing odd on xserve06, doesn't look like anyone has been on in a while [02:07:21] sspitzer [sspitzer@moz-2F80A524.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [02:07:35] so, senate is 49/49 w/ 2 undecideds? [02:07:47] and the dems took the house? [02:08:12] wow, and dems got the majority of governorships (not that that matters much) [02:08:22] looks like the lentil farmer with a flat top may just change the balance of the senate [02:08:27] it matters for 2008 [02:08:45] there's no redestricting between now and then, right? [02:08:56] you sure? ;) [02:08:59] no [02:09:05] And in many places, of course, it matters for 2010 [02:09:08] i'm sitting in helsinki trying to figure out how to be in mv [02:09:19] and in some for 2012 [02:09:22] right, 2010 is more important in some ways [02:09:33] bz_sleep seems to recall some states have 6-year governor terms [02:09:40] hrm [02:10:04] did lieberman got more votes than both lamont and schlesinger? [02:10:14] yes [02:10:16] WeirdAl [chatzilla@moz-BD72A0C8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023] [02:10:19] wow :) [02:10:33] no smiling!!! [02:10:40] why? [02:10:55] he is a despicable warmonger [02:11:07] sayrer doesn't like wars [02:11:28] shouldn't you not like most politicians? :) [02:11:54] I took a survey once [02:12:04] hrm, dbaron: you know anyone calling the california 04, 11 house races? [02:12:24] one of those that tells you what percentage of your views align with each candidate [02:12:35] wow [02:12:51] daim [David_Mart@moz-789E8FB1.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #developers [02:12:53] republicans didn't do well in the indiana house races :) [02:12:58] what was the super liberal democratic presidential candidate? [02:13:09] mondale? [02:13:18] no [02:13:20] last election [02:13:23] Kucinich [02:13:28] oh him [02:13:31] he visited phili [02:13:36] I got 98% aligned with Kucinich [02:13:40] heh [02:13:45] and 99% aligned with Al Sharpton! [02:13:58] timeless wonders if lousiana does runoffs [02:14:12] they do [02:14:14] the lousiana 02 has like 13 candidates [02:14:27] <@dbaron> timeless, cnn called 04 [02:14:33] <@dbaron> (R) [02:15:08] <@dbaron> timeless, it matters for 2008 for things like vote counting [02:15:25] sp3000 [chatzilla@moz-307F712F.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #developers [02:16:16] yason [yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi] has joined #developers [02:17:25] Clinton takes 67% in NY State. And no one even likes her! [02:18:17] that says something about the other candidate(s) [02:19:07] wonder which side they're counting lieberman on [02:19:21] (D) [02:19:27] ugh [02:19:34] so the democrats lost [02:19:43] He says he plans to caucus with the Democrats [02:19:54] <@dbaron> he might not be the most conservative Democrat caucusing with the Democrats, either [02:19:55] So for committees and stuff that number is right [02:20:23] dbaron: there are probably more socially conservative democrats in the south [02:20:38] should really sleep.... [02:20:56] <@dbaron> a bunch of the newly-elected (or potentially-newly-elected) Dems are quite conservative [02:21:14] <@dbaron> Casey (PA), Webb (VA, if he wins), Tester (MT, if he wins) [02:21:49] I see. We'll take whatever we can get from VA and MT [02:21:52] PA is a shame [02:22:12] but I am probably left of most people on here [02:23:08] <@dbaron> PA is complicated. [02:23:14] <@dbaron> It basically has 4 political parties pretending to be two. [02:23:52] <@dbaron> Since abortion is a bigger issue in PA than in many other states (because it's closely divided) and because the abortion issue splits both parties unusually close to evenly. [02:25:05] scrollback request time again... t-8h to t-4h please [02:25:49] <@dbaron> And Casey (anti-abortion D senator-elect) probably would have won the primary anyway (due to very high name recognition, at least) even if Rendell (the pro-choice D governor) hadn't pushed all his potential opponents out. [02:26:05] <@dbaron> which he did to avoid a bruising primary. [02:26:16] <@dbaron> (like the one Rendell and Casey had against each other for governor 4 years back) [02:26:21] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has joined #developers [02:27:41] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [02:28:01] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has left #developers: Connection reset by beer [02:28:13] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has joined #developers [02:28:20] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [02:29:29] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has quit IRC: Quit: Connection reset by beer [02:29:33] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has joined #developers [02:31:16] tH [r@83.100.250.86] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.0.5/2006070708] [02:31:39] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has quit IRC: Quit: Connection reset by beer [02:31:44] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has joined #developers [02:32:29] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has quit IRC: Quit: Connection reset by beer [02:32:32] stransky [stransky@moz-8461B7BB.usu.cz] has joined #developers [02:38:16] coop [coop@moz-F3D3CF3E.dsl.bell.ca] has quit IRC: Quit: coop [02:38:32] duo [duo@EA2AA27C.4B19F914.908AEBC.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:41:44] hrm....MT Senate results not expected til 8am et because recount needed in yellowstone county [02:43:23] http://disruptive-innovations.com/products/ssr [02:43:27] 404 :( [02:48:33] beaufour [beaufour@moz-299A3F6B.lid.theveniceproject.com] has joined #developers [02:49:17] is that where yellowstone national park is? [02:49:38] no. wrong state, even. [02:50:19] laurentj [laurentj@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] has joined #developers [02:50:21] yellowstone is in 3 states, no? [02:50:40] timeless can't remember which park was split [02:51:08] sort of. the designation is in 3 states, but the only useful stuff is in WY. [02:51:17] yes well [02:51:23] i like the trivia about it being in 3 states [02:51:33] the fact that the useful stuff is in one is sorta obvious [02:51:36] MT has like 3 mi sq, and ID has something similar. [02:51:40] Yoric [AlasPoorYo@F00E1C4E.4A13168A.11E19FFE.IP] has joined #developers [02:51:52] those are just mountains leading up to it. [02:52:10] Ninety-six percent of the park is located in the state of Wyoming, another three percent is in Montana, and one percent is in Idaho. [02:52:17] sayrer [chatzilla@moz-EC288A1F.cable.mindspring.com] has quit IRC: Input/output error [02:52:27] <@dbaron> And here I was thinking it was just in Wyoming. [02:53:19] none of the park is in Yellowstone County, MT, though. it's at least a two hour drive, IIRC. [02:53:48] <@dbaron> Hey, they don't have a monopoly on yellowish rocks. [02:53:57] heh [02:54:39] <@dbaron> Anyway, sounds like there's not going to be a lot more news until morning. [02:54:42] <@dbaron> I'm going to sleep. [02:54:46] dbaron [dbaron@moz-1559392A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: g'night [02:54:50] no. yellowstone county is named after the river that goes through it. [02:55:16] dt [darktemple@moz-B46E4156.adl0.adsl.esc.net.au] has joined #developers [02:55:39] awww...Kinky Friedman lost [02:57:07] ooh yum [02:57:12] timeless is glad to see ehrilich is out [02:57:19] s/il/l/ [02:57:59] analogAI [analogAI@moz-94FEA59F.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #developers [02:58:32] dt [darktemple@moz-B46E4156.adl0.adsl.esc.net.au] has quit IRC: Quit: [02:59:56] Fuffie [lambada@moz-2D9AD019.vizrt.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [03:00:08] i can't believe mcnerney is winning [03:00:29] what's interesting about him? [03:00:47] heh am I right in thinking from what I just saw on CNN that the dems are still slightly ahead [03:00:50] in virginia [03:00:52] and montana [03:01:06] virginia by less than a percent, montana by a coupla percent [03:01:38] timeless: he was a terrible campaigner, a total clutz of a democrat in a strongly republican district [03:02:50] timeless: there's no way he could have won in any regular election; but his opponent, Richard Pombo, has strong ties to Bush and Abramoff along with some other scandal i can't remember now [03:02:50] Camino: 'MacOSX Darwin 7.9.0 binus Depend 1.8 branch' has changed state from Burning to Success. [03:03:01] duo [duo@EA2AA27C.4B19F914.908AEBC.IP] has joined #developers [03:03:03] i'm surprised burns lasted as long as he did in montana, honestly. he wasn't well liked from what i remember. [03:03:42] duo [duo@EA2AA27C.4B19F914.908AEBC.IP] has left #developers [03:04:40] myk: great idea about site search....thought about that a while back, but FF2 cutoff was approaching rapidly [03:04:52] dt [darktemple@moz-B46E4156.adl0.adsl.esc.net.au] has joined #developers [03:05:22] A`ja: great idea of yours, then! [03:05:42] Pike [Axel_Hecht@moz-C31A1319.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #developers [03:06:26] myk: similar UI to the patch that got backed off might work...just without option to add it to saved list of engines [03:07:19] Fufie [lambada@moz-2D9AD019.vizrt.com] has joined #developers [03:07:46] magneto [chatzilla@977E6C1.DEF20D50.74E1C77A.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918] [03:08:46] A`ja never worked out what all the various different search parms for the various engines might be, though. [03:21:30] Webb claimed victory, no concession by Allen [03:22:06] and on that note.....gnite all [03:22:41] A`ja [chatzilla@moz-329730D1.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.73-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9a1/2006042715] [03:33:37] anyone with scrollback, t-9h to t-5h please [03:37:01] New build added to Mozilla1.8-SeaMonkey: WINNT 5.1 tpol Depend (1.1) (status: Success). [03:43:56] FabryProg [FabryProg@moz-A5423509.lince.it] has joined #developers [03:44:07] hello guys! [03:44:42] i have one questions..... how i start to develop for mozilla fondation? [03:45:11] on mozilla site there are a guide.... but it's confusionary [03:45:13] :-| [03:45:46] what do you want to do? [03:46:07] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC: Input/output error [03:46:39] firefox 2 bug? [03:47:06] it's a good start point? [03:47:15] Mossop_away [Mossop@moz-4386CB1E.swan.cable.ntl.com] is now known as Mossop [03:50:25] analogAI [analogAI@moz-94FEA59F.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Bye [03:50:29] analogAI [analogAI@moz-94FEA59F.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #developers [03:50:39] http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/hacking/first-bugs/ is probably a good start, it has a bug query under "More" where you may be able to pick your favorite [03:52:03] umm... i'm reading... so... i open a cvs account for checkout the firefox source?! [03:52:08] (tnks) :-p [03:52:16] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #developers [03:53:19] FabryProg: you can check out the source without an account via anonymous cvs [03:53:32] that check-out is good enough to build yourself and to do patches [03:54:38] good good [03:55:05] tnks :-D i'm italian.. were are you from? [03:55:10] *where [03:55:14] I'm in Berlin [03:55:26] I actually did a /whois already, so I knew [03:55:32] :-D :-| :-o ;-) [03:56:06] 'Fabry' could have been french, and those have french speaking channels here, which could have helped more, but I didn't find an italian speaking channel [03:56:26] magneto [chatzilla@977E6C1.DEF20D50.74E1C77A.IP] has joined #developers [03:56:51] hwaara [hwaara@moz-22E58F77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #developers [03:58:27] :-o italian it's no used ! :-( then.... i learn english! [03:58:35] my english is very terrible! [03:58:37] :-| [03:58:58] FabryProg: if there's no italian firefox (or even if there is) you can work on translating it [03:59:19] jeremy: there is [03:59:21] ummm.... no italian firefox? are you sure? [04:00:06] no no there is italian firefox for win linx and mac [04:00:50] JasnaPaka [jasnapaka@moz-11625C49.karneval.cz] has quit IRC: Quit: Kdo zna, vi. [04:01:06] FabryProg: so, if you're interested, you can help translate the browser interface as well [04:01:40] :-D [04:01:49] jeremy and you? where are you from? [04:01:57] US [04:02:24] i don't know enough of any language to translate firefox ;( [04:02:26] :-o [04:02:52] you are lucky... english is international languages! [04:03:02] Yoric [AlasPoorYo@F00E1C4E.4A13168A.11E19FFE.IP] has quit IRC: Client exited [04:03:24] would be luckier if i knew more of other languages too ;) [04:04:33] FabryProg: check out http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/ , http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Download_Mozilla_Source_Code , and http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Build_Documentation [04:05:04] err, make that http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mozilla_Source_Code_Via_CVS [04:05:16] tnks.... i'm searching instruction for translate firefox.... there are xml configuration file? [04:06:10] no, we use dtds [04:06:19] http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/ [04:06:35] jeremy: do me a favour and don't point to that page? [04:06:56] Pike: ok. where to then? wikimo? [04:07:12] dt [darktemple@moz-B46E4156.adl0.adsl.esc.net.au] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [04:07:15] FabryProg: if you're interested in contributing to the italian localization, you'd want to contact the italian team. Their website is http://www.mozillaitalia.it/ [04:07:58] jeremy: for existing locales, http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Localization_Teams is the reference [04:08:34] and for general info about the l10n process for mozilla apps? [04:08:37] Yoric [AlasPoorYo@moz-F092C9D5.univ-orleans.fr] has joined #developers [04:09:32] moment... i'm bookmark this links.... :-D [04:09:40] dt [darktemple@moz-B46E4156.adl0.adsl.esc.net.au] has joined #developers [04:10:35] analogAI_ [analogAI@moz-94FEA59F.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #developers [04:10:46] jeremy: as soon as there's a team, there's not that much of a general process anymore, that's then just landing stuff on frozen branches [04:11:09] Pike: whats wrong with that link? [04:11:10] analogAI [analogAI@moz-94FEA59F.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [04:11:13] jeremy cringes at the google translation of the italian team's page [04:11:13] everything else is module owner rule, and some work on transformed sources, so you better check what they do first [04:11:15] Pike: k [04:11:35] poningru: it's damn old rotten textfiles, so rotten that nobody dares to remove them [04:11:43] ... [04:11:45] ic [04:12:06] sounds familiar re www.m.o ... [04:12:31] access, fe, is in the process of moving stuff over to wikimo [04:13:07] heh [04:13:14] Lucy_ [Lucy@moz-D480481C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #developers [04:13:22] raccettura [raccettura@moz-E0160644.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #developers [04:13:25] poningru gets Lucy_ a stable connection [04:13:29] err wtf [04:13:45] poningru realizes this is #developers [04:13:48] jeremy asks poningru for a fast connection [04:14:14] heh [04:14:22] jeremy switches windows [04:17:50] jeremy tnks... the mozillaitalia is a fondation... with a donation and associate card! ... i'm don't like this solution! [04:18:48] i'm go to source checkout [04:19:05] see you later.... ( i'm working... :-D ) [04:19:13] (i'm a java developer) [04:20:05] ouch [04:20:12] poningru feels bad for FabryProg [04:20:52] FabryProg: are you saying they require a donation in order to work with them? that doesn't sound right [04:22:18] jeremy... i'm a start point.... first starting to understand all system THAN i donate :-D [04:22:48] are you agree? [04:22:49] :-p [04:23:51] well, i don't really know anything about them. it's surprising that they would require a donation. do you know exactly what they want the donation for? [04:24:00] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [04:24:49] donation is required for FONDATION MOZILLA ITALIA..... :-| it's legal person... [04:25:01] and the associate is LEGAL [04:25:03] huh? [04:25:31] but.... this money DON'T go to mozilla.org fondation [04:25:38] BUT gone to MOZILLAITALIA [04:25:47] now... are you agree? [04:25:49] :-D [04:26:09] jeremy orders a translator ;( [04:26:48] FabryProg: I know that Mozilla Italia has an agreement with the foundation, but I'm interested which page you're looking at [04:26:55] maybe that needs rewording [04:28:30] pike.... you don't understand me or not understand the mozilla italia fondation? [04:30:07] I know that they exist, but haven't been looking into their legal structure too deeply. I'm a bit curious on how they ask for donations, though. You translation of that sounded like it could use some rewording [04:30:22] Pike is Axel Hecht, a member of t